no_to_hartwells_revised_plans

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Alan Champneys
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#1 The density of student beds has gone up not down

2014-09-07 15:09

I have read the slimy "statement of community engagement"  document online at www.tinyurl.com/hartwells-response and feel they are taking the mickey. This is like phase 1 of their original proposals. But the density of houses has gone up not down. Note that the townhouses now have 5 storeys and the mews block is indicated as being wider than on the original plans and now have 3 storeys. 


Guest

#2

2014-09-11 08:45

The last thing Newbridge needs is student accommodation, what it needs is family/ first time buyers homes with parking!
Newbridge Resident

#3

2014-09-13 08:00

Bath needs to be offering housing options to families needing affordable housing. Both universities own ample land to be building student accomodation - including using land next to or around their currnet student accommodation offerings - such as along the Bristol Road. 

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#4

2014-09-13 08:04

Appalled to see the developers using blatent negotition tactics - initially offering housing to 400 students, waiting for feedback and then proposing 300. We can see throught this tactic - and whatever the result... it is still 300 students more than the area wishes to accomodate.

Frustrated

#5

2014-09-13 12:49

Newbridge is an area that caters for young families, middle and older generations and professionals - why would students want to live in this area with no libraries/supermarket/pubs/clubs? Why turn Newbridge into an undesirable area to live for the current community by allowing a de-generation in house prices due to houses turning into student lettings, noise levels increasing, traffic conjestion with lack of parking, buses increasing causing noise and waste pollution - making an already too busy residential road bussier??

 


Guest

#6

2014-09-14 08:59

The Newbridge area needs more family accommodation not student accommodation and the proposed location would cause significant traffic concerns due to its proximity to newbridge school
Mj

#7 Not happy

2014-09-14 09:25

Bath needs more for the elderly and homeless not students also Newbridge already has lots of student houses

 If this is built it will back right onto our house and others .

rdaubs

#8 Parking, Road conjestion and safety, and local services

2014-09-15 20:12

Firstly, it has been demonstrated on the student development on Lower Bristol Road that the councils efforts in controlling additional parking demand have failed as there are exacerbated parking issues for residents in that area since the construction of the student accommodation.  Any parking restrictions, other than assigning permit areas are demonstrated to be unenforcable and flawed.  The same situation is likely to occur in surrounding roads to this development (Newbridge Road, Charmouth Road, Rosslyn Road) where parking is already at capacity from RUH staff.  This is not beneficial or in the interests of local residents and will have a negative affect on the character if the area.

Secondly, if we assume the students do not have cars, then their next option for transport is the bus service. The road in the location of the bus stop is not wide enough to allow a bus pull in so busses stopped at this stop during peak hours picking up large numbers of students will have a negative impact on the flow of traffic along Newbridge Road.  Stationary bus obstructions have to generate the need to consider the safety implications where many young children are walking and crossing the road to attend Newbridge Primary School.  The location of the bus stop appears to obstruct the visibility of cars exiting  the new development further increasing the safety risk.

Finally, the local services of the area, such as shops, food outlets, etc to provide for a large student population are neither already establish in the area nor offer any scope in the immediate area to develop these services.  The character of the area  is likey to be negatively affected in attempting to create these in this area.

The area is predominantly inhabited by families and professionals, that is what defines the character of the immediate area.  A large student population will no doubt compromise this.


Guest

#9

2014-09-21 10:25

It seems to me that Bath University has built more than enough accomodation in and around the City. What Newbridge urgently needs is affordable family housing for first time buyers and young professionals.

Guest

#10

2014-09-22 13:32

Ref. No: 14/03977/OUT

Dear Sir,
I would like to submit the following observations in response to the proposals made by Oakhill Group Ltd. To develop the Hartwell Garage site on Newbridge Road, Bath for student accommodation.

The National Planning Policy Framework 2012 has 12 core principles and I do not believe that these proposals have taken proper account of those principles. For example:

The first one talks about “empowering local people to shape their surroundings” clearly, Oakhill have ignored that one.

The second one says “not simply be about scrutiny, but instead be a creative exercise in finding ways to enhance and improve the places in which people live their lives;” I see no evidence that Oakhill have considered this.

The third states that “proactively drive and support sustainable economic development to deliver the homes, business and industrial units, infrastructure and thriving local places that the country need.” Oakhill is, in effect, building a large dormitory the inhabitants of which will be transitory citizens with no stake in the local community.

The fifth expects proposals to “take account of the different roles and character of different areas, promoting the vitality of our main urban areas”; the said area is almost entire private single family housing. Putting high density accommodation blocks in this area is out of keeping with the character of the area.

I think these proposals should undergo thorough scrutiny in the light of the document mentioned.


Should they go ahead then the problems about parking will occur. The suggestion in the plan that students will not be allowed to have cars holds no water. How will this be guaranteed? The roads in the area are already choked with parked cars and even more vehicles will be of detriment to the local community. People with babies and young children won’t be able to park near their house. Old, people will not be able to park near their house.

The pattern of available parking will change and make life more difficult for the locals. At the moment, each morning and evening there is a time of about 90 minutes when residents drive off to work leaving spaces which are taken by those who drive in and who work locally. There is a reverse pattern in the evening. If these parking spaces are filled by students, who do not follow regular working hours, then again, local amenities have suffered.

This area is generally, a quiet residential area with the main road only really busy during the time people go to work; the rush hour in the morning and evening. 300 hundred students will bring more noise, more traffic, more litter and inevitably this noise and traffic will occur in the evenings and into the night. This will be of detriment to the quality of life for many and most noticeably to those in the immediate vicinity of the proposed development.

Lastly, a successful attempt has been made to make the buildings at the front of the development ie the ‘townhouses’ match the surrounding architecture. However, the rest of the development, ie the ‘mew’ and the 5 storey student block is a horrible, functional, and is not in keeping with either its partner buildings or those in the immediate area.

All in all, I think this development should not go ahead.


Guest

#11

2014-09-22 13:36

Further impact on an already huge problem of parking in this area and overdominance generally. Structures out of keeping with the neighbourhood. Developers appear to be changing the boundaries of the scheme to suit themselves.

Guest

#12

2014-09-22 13:50

As a resident of Newbridge I'm all for keeping it an area for families and not to provide accommodation for students as as planned. Bath already has far too many student blocks being built to the detriment of the families who know and love their City.

Guest

#13

2014-09-22 20:20

This land should be used for local housing not for student accommodation.

Guest

#14

2014-09-24 08:39

There will be more feet and road traffic.

The noise late at night, when the students will be coming back drunk. This will cause disturbs to the resident’s already living here.

The decreases in value of my property, because nobody wants to live near student housing.


Guest

#15

2014-09-27 11:14

Everything about the proposal gets a NO vote.

Guest

#16

2014-09-27 11:40

Has anyone else wondered whether the student accommodation would be let out to tourists during the student holidays? Another NEGATIVE item to add to the very long list of "no to Hartwells".

Guest

#17

2014-10-02 08:43

The scale and density of population is fat too great for residential surroundings. The road is too busy and will become like Windsor bridge when the student bus is in operation.