STOP THE MOSQUE/ISLAMIC CENTRE IN YORK

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Guest

#201

2011-08-05 23:27

NO COMMENT,

Guest

#202

2011-08-06 00:18

find it digusting that there shall be a nother mosque in york, build another church we are a christian based country.

do you go to saudi arabia and see loads off churches there? no.

should you come here and see loads of big dirty mosques, no.

Guest

#203

2011-08-06 21:59

Some of the signatories are hot headed bigots! My obection was about the intrusive & inappropriate nature of the building .

Guest

#204

2011-08-07 16:46

The design is completely out of character with the ancient city of york. Ancient chuches had bell towers to call the congregation to prayer in an age when the poor did not have watches. Now, when everyone has a watch,a bell tower would not be needed in a new church.Equaly,in Arabia where bells were not manufactured a tower was built so that the Iman could call people to prayer. As with a modern church, a tower is no longer needed.Further, Arabian architecture is unattractive and not wanted here by the majority of the population


Guest

#205

2011-08-07 18:57

Mosques are symbols of hatred and fraudulent deceitful doctrines, and planning should always be refused no matter where in the world they're proposed. Get Islam to povide conclusive physical evidence that Allah exists and isn't just a mythical creature before you allow their cult to groom and damage the minds of any more innocent children.
Humanbeing

#206 Re:

2011-08-08 07:21

#1: -

If anybody preaches hatred he/she is not muslim. Hatred can not bring peace in society. Not religion on earth preaches hatred. Love and truth can only bring harmony on earth. We have only one planet, let us share and care it.Hate war and racism. Humanbeing is humanbeing, it has no colour creed. We are all from one woman and man EVE and ADAM. How can you say youare not my brother. Bring light to this world


Guest

#207

2011-08-10 23:58

its in no way whatsoever inkeeping with the surroundings, the architecture would drastically 'aggrevate' the current skyline.
Annie

#208

2011-08-11 12:52

The multicultural experient has gone far enough!

Guest

#209

2011-08-12 22:08

FOR GOD SAKE WILL THE POLITICAL PARTIES STOP SMARMING AND GET A BACKBONE ! £90 A WEEK I PAY IN TAX FOR 52 HRS WORK AND TAKE HOME £316 ! I CANT AFFORD TO DRIVE BUT THE PEOPLE WHO WONDER ROUND DOING NOTHING ALL DAY CANT SPEAK ENGLISH HAVE BIG WADS OF HANDOUTS CAN AND I SEE THIS DAY IN DAY OUT AT WORK ! IT,S SICKENING WHAT HAS HAPPEND TO BRITISH PRIDE ?????????

Guest

#210 Re: Re:

2011-08-14 16:02

#74: - Re:

blah blah blah they probably said the same thing in Bradford 30 years ago or the Tower Hamlets or Leicester etc etc etc etc  but your tree hugging leftist prick opinion says it all,,lets just hug some trees hold hands and hope everything is ok

 

prick


Guest

#211 Re: How depressing

2011-08-14 16:07

#76: Guest - How depressing

a white Christian you fucking dick


Guest

#212 Re:

2011-08-14 16:10

#97: Proton -

utter bollocks


Guest

#213 Re:

2011-08-14 16:27

#169: Actually researched. -

It's intellectual pricks like you with your sources and so called facts that have led to the deterioration of this great country.Only worried about minorities and not the English.Immigration is ok but mass immigration is not.When push comes to shove and you tree hugging twats are on your knees with a sword rested on your neck getting called an infidel by some unwashed unshaven biggot threatening if you don't convert you'll lose your head,just close your eyes and pray everything will be ok

twat


Guest

#214

2011-08-15 13:51

Im proud to live in York the way it is with its very low ethnic population.Large cities with large ethnic population dont work
A concerned infidel

#215 do you want Sharia Law in York

2011-08-16 13:46

I have read many of the comments on here.A lot from concerned residents against the redevelopment for valid points like minarets etc not fitting in with the historic environment of York to which thousands of tourists from across the world flock to see.Also the concerns regarding noise and traffic congestion which is inevitable.These points alone should be enough to stop the project right now.But there is also comments on here unfortunately from the lefties with your"multiculturalism works" "Muslims just want to be part of the British community" both are utter bollocks, you only have to look around the UK to see how multiculturalism is failing BIG TIME.My main worry is the type of islam they are following at the York mosque.It is called Maudoodi/Abul Ala Maududi these are the two ways of pronouncing it.Basically here it is make up your own mind?????IS THIS REALLY THE RIGHT THING FOR YORK??????
Islamic beliefs and ideology

Maududi wrote over 120 books and pamphlets and made over 1000 speeches and press statements. His magnum opus was the 30 years in progress translation (tafsir) in Urdu of the Qur’an, Tafhim ul-Qur’an (The Meaning of the Qur'an), intended to give the Qur’an a practical contemporary interpretation. It became widely read throughout the subcontinent and has been translated into several languages.[8]
Islam

Maududi saw Muslims not as people who followed the religion of Islam, but as everything: "Everything in the universe is 'Muslim' for it obeys God by submission to His laws." The only exception to this universe of Muslims were human beings who failed to follow Islam. In regard to the non-Muslim:

“His very tongue which, on account of his ignorance advocates the denial of God or professes multiple deities, is in its very nature 'Muslim' ... The man who denies God is called Kafir (concealer) because he conceals by his disbelief what is inherent in his nature and embalmed in his own soul. His whole body functions in obedience to that instinct… Reality becomes estranged from him and he gropes in the dark".[11]

Maududi believed that Islam was a "religion" in a broader sense of the term. He stated: "Islam is not a ‘religion’ in the sense this term is commonly understood. It is a system encompassing all fields of living. Islam means politics, economics, legisla­tion, science, humanism, health, psychology and sociol­ogy. It is a system which makes no discrimination on the basis of race, color, language or other external categories. Its appeal is to all mankind. It wants to reach the heart of every human being."[12]
Sharia

Maududi believed that without Sharia law Muslim society could not be Islamic:

That if an Islamic society consciously resolves not to accept the Sharia, and decides to enact its own constitution and laws or borrow them from any other source in disregard of the Sharia, such a society breaks its contract with God and forfeits its right to be called 'Islamic.'"[13]

Maududi also largely expanded upon his view of the Islamic State and Sharia in his book Islamic Way of Life.
Islamic state
Main article: Islamic state

The modern conceptualization of the "Islamic state" is attributed to Maududi.[14] In his book, The Islamic Law and Constitution,[15] published in 1941 and subsequent writings, Maududi coined and popularized the term "Islamic state" itself. In addition, he coined and popularized the term "Islamic revolution" in the 1940s, even though this phrase is commonly associated with the 1979 Iranian Revolution that occurred 40 years later.[14]

The state would be a "theo-democracy,"[16] and underlying it would be three principles: tawhid (oneness of God), risala (prophethood) and khilafa (caliphate).[17][18][19] The "sphere of activity" covered by the Islamic state would be "co-extensive with human life ... In such a state no one can regard any field of his affairs as personal and private."[20]

The state would follow Sharia Islamic law, a complete system covering

family relationships, social and economic affairs, administration, rights and duties of citizens, judicial system, laws of war and peace and international relations. In short it embraces all the various departments of life ... The Sharia is a complete scheme of life and an all-embracing social order where nothing is superfluous and nothing lacking.[21]

Consequently, while this state has a legislature which the ruler must consult, its function "is really that of law-finding, not of law-making."[22]

Maududi believed that the sovereignty of God (hakimiya) and the sovereignty of the people are mutually exclusive.[23] Therefore, while Maududi stated in one of his books that "democracy begins in Islam,"[24] Islamic democracy according to him was to be the antithesis of secular Western democracy which transfers hakimiya (God's sovereignty) to the people.[25]

He also advocated personal freedom and condemned suspicion of Government:

This espionage on the life of the individual cannot be justified on moral grounds by the government saying that it is necessary to know the secrets of the dangerous persons. Though, to all intents and purposes, the basis of this policy is the fear and suspicion with which modern governments look at their citizens who are intelligent and dissatisfied with the official policies of the government. This is exactly what Islam has called as the root cause of mischief in politics. The injunction of the Prophet is: "When the ruler begins to search for the causes of dissatisfaction amongst his people, he spoils them" (Abu Dawud). The Amir Mu'awiyah has said that he himself heard the Prophet saying: "If you try to find out the secrets of the people, then you will definitely spoil them or at least you will bring them to the verge of ruin." The meaning of the phrase 'spoil them' is that when spies (C.I.D. or F.B.I.agents) are spread all around the country to find out the affairs of men, then the people begin to look at one another with suspicion, so much so that people are afraid of talking freely in their houses lest some word should escape from the lips of their wives and children which may put them in embarrassing situations. In this manner it becomes difficult for a common citizen to speak freely, even in his own house and society begins to suffer from a state of general distrust and suspicion.[26]

Non-Muslims

The rights of non-Muslims are limited under Islamic state as laid out in Maududi's writings. Although non-Muslim "faith, ideology, rituals of worship or social customs" would not be interfered with, non-Muslims would have to accept Muslim rule.

Islamic 'Jihad' does not recognize their right to administer State affairs according to a system which, in the view of Islam, is evil. Furthermore, Islamic 'Jihad' also refuses to admit their right to continue with such practices under an Islamic government which fatally affect the public interest from the viewpoint of Islam."[27]

Non-Muslims would also have to pay a special tax known as jizya. This tax is applicable to all able adult non-Muslims, except old and women, who do not render military service. Those who serve in the military are exempted. All adult Muslim men are subject to compulsory military service, whenever required by the Islamic State. Jizya is thus seen as a protection tax payable to the Islamic State for protection of those non-Muslim adult men who do not render military service.[28]

Maududi believed that copying cultural practices of non-Muslims was forbidden in Islam, having

very disastrous consequences upon a nation; it destroys its inner vitality, blurs its vision, befogs its critical faculties, breeds inferiority complexes, and gradually but assuredly saps all the springs of culture and sounds its death-knell. That is why the Holy Prophet has positively and forcefully forbidden the Muslims to assume the culture and mode of life of the non-Muslims.[29]

Maududi strongly opposed the Ahmadiyya sect and the idea that Ahmadiyya were Muslims. He preached against Ahmadiyya in his pamphlet The Qadiani Question and the book The Finality of Prophethood.[30]
Jihad

Because Islam is all-encompassing, Maududi believed that the Islamic state should not be limited to just the "homeland of Islam". It is for all the world. 'Jihad' should be used to eliminate un-Islamic rule and establish the world-wide Islamic state:

Islam wishes to destroy all states and governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and programme of Islam, regardless of the country or the Nation which rules it. The purpose of Islam is to set up a state on the basis of its own ideology and programme, regardless of which nation assumes the role of the standard-bearer of Islam or the rule of which nation is undermined in the process of the establishment of an ideological Islamic State. Islam requires the earth—not just a portion, but the whole planet .... because the entire mankind should benefit from the ideology and welfare programme [of Islam] ... Towards this end, Islam wishes to press into service all forces which can bring about a revolution and a composite term for the use of all these forces is ‘Jihad’. .... the objective of the Islamic ‘ Jihād’ is to eliminate the rule of an un-Islamic system and establish in its stead an Islamic system of state rule.[31]

He explained that jihad was not only combat for God but all effort that helped those waging combat (Qita'al):

“In the jihad in the way of Allah, active combat is not always the role on the battlefield, nor can everyone fight in the front line. Just for one single battle preparations have often to be made for decades on end and the plans deeply laid, and while only some thousands fight in the front line there are behind them millions engaged in various tasks which, though small themselves, contribute directly to the supreme effort.”[32]

Criticism and controversy
Political

A general complaint of one critic is that Maududi's theo-democracy is an

ideological state in which legislators do not legislate, citizens only vote to reaffirm the permanent applicability of God's laws, women rarely venture outside their homes lest social discipline be disrupted, and non-Muslims are tolerated as foreign elements required to express their loyalty by means of paying a financial levy.[33]

On a more conceptual level, journalist and author Abdel Wahab Meddeb questions the basis of Maududi's reasoning that the sovereignty of the truly Islamic state must be divine and not popular, saying "Maududi constructed a coherent political system, which follows wholly from a manipulation." The manipulation is of the Arabic word hukm, usually defined as to "exercise power as governing, to pronounce a sentence, to judge between two parties, to be knowledgeable (in medicine, in philosophy), to be wise, prudent, of a considered judgment." The Quran contains the phrase `Hukm is God's alone,` thus, according to Maududi, God – in the form of Sharia law – must govern. But Meddeb argues that a full reading of the ayah where the phrase appears reveals that it refers to God's superiority over pagan idols, not His role in government.

Those whom you adore outside of Him are nothing but names that you and your fathers have given them. God has granted them no authority. Hukm is God's alone. He has commanded that you adore none but Him. Such is the right religion, but most people do not know. [Qur'an 12:40]

Quranic "commentators never forget to remind us that this verse is devoted to the powerlessness of the companion deities (pardras) that idolaters raise up next to God…"[34]

Abdel Meddab's view is contradicted by well-respected Islamic scholars such as Shaikh Salih al-Fawzan. He writes in his book Aqidah ul-Tawhid: "He who accepts a law other than Allah's ascribes a partner to Allah. Whatever act of worship that is not legislated (hukam) by Allah and His Messenger is Bid'ah, and every Bid'ah is a means of deviation... Any other law which is legislated (hukam) by neither Allah nor His Messenger in politics, or for judging in people's disputes, it is considered as the law of Taghut and Jahiliyyah. Allah says: Do they seek the judgment of Jahiliyyah? And who is better than Allah as a judge for a people who have firm faith? (Qur'an 5:50) The right of legalizing and illegalizing belongs to Allah too, and no one is permitted to share this right with Him. Allah says: And do not eat of that on which the name of Allah is not pronounced, for surely that is disobedience. And certainly Satans inspire their friends to argue with you. And if you obey them, then you are polytheists. (Qur'an 6:121)"[35]

Maududi is also criticized for his early open opposition to Muhammed Ali Jinnah, the leader of the drive to create Pakistan, although Maududi later changed his view and supported the state of Pakistan. Some critics believe Maududi's opposition stemmed from sectarian differences, as Jinnah came from a Shia Muslim background.[36][37]
Clerical

Maududi is said to have received "sustained hostility" from the ulema.[38] Muhammad Yusuf Banuri (d. 1397/1977) is quoted as saying

"Great Muslim scholars of India of every madhhab congregated at Jamiyyat al-'Ulema' in Delhi on the 27th of Shawwal, 1370 (August 1, 1951) and reached the conclusion that Maududi and his Al-Jamaat al-Islamiyya caused the destruction and deviation of Muslims and published this fatwa (decision) in a book and in papers."[39] And the scholars of Pakistan passed a resolution that Maududi was a heretic who tried to make others heretics; this resolution was edited once again in the Akhbar al-Jamiyya in Rawalpindi on the 22nd of February, 1396 (1976)."[40]

He has been criticised by some Deobandi scholars, such as Allama Yusuf Ludhyanwi,[41] for what was seen as disrespect towards the Sahabah (Companions of the prophet Muhammad) and the Mahdi.

Maududi has been criticised by Salafist author Jamaal Ibn Fareehaan al-Haarithee for "rejection of the Dajjal", as Maududi is alleged to have claimed[42] that the prophet Muhammad "used to think that the Dajjaal (Anti-Christ) would come out in his time, or close to his time. However, 1350 years passed away and many long generations came and went, yet the Dajjaal did not come out. So it is confirmed that what the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) thought did not prove true!!”[43] Maududi's alleged belief in this theory was explained by its being an "opinion and analogical deduction" of Muhammad while al-Haarithee considers this shirk (polytheism) as the Quran says “And he does not speak from his own desire. It is revelation inspired to him.”[44]

Other clerics who have criticised Maududi are Shaykh Safi-ur-Rahman Mubarakpuri –[45], Hammaad al-Ansaaree[46] and Al-Albaanee, Sanaullaah Amritsari[47]

However, such attacks against Maududi's work haven't affected their widespread influence in the Islamic community, nor did they conflict with the majority of Maududi's views. The only thing that was disputed was Maududi's usage of certain terms relating to Islamic Prophets and Muhammad's Companions
Legacy
Grave of Syed Abul Ala Maududi

Maududi's influence was widespread. According to historian Philip Jenkins, Egyptians Hassan al-Banna and Sayyid Qutb read him. Qutb "borrowed and expanded" Maududi's concept for being a modern as well as pre-Islamic phenomenon, and of the need for an Islamist revolutionary vanguard movement. His ideas influenced Abdullah Azzam, the Palestinian Islamist jurist. The South Asian diaspora, including "significant numbers" in Britain, were "hugely influenced" by Maududi's work. Maududi even had a major impact on Shia Iran, where Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini is reputed to have met Maududi as early as 1963 and later translated his works into Persian. "To the present day, Iran's revolutionary rhetoric often draws on his themes."[48]

Mostly, however, Maududi influenced South Asia. In Pakistan, Jamaat party members joined Pakistan's military and intelligence establishments in large numbers, which were reportedly "rife with hard-line Islamist views" by the 1970s.[48]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abul_Ala_Maududi

Guest

#216

2011-08-19 23:19

It's time to draw a line in the sand.

Guest

#217

2011-08-20 00:19

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A STOP TO ALL BUILDING OF NONE CHRISTIAN FAITH ,PLACES OF WORSHIP IN THE UK .
THE UK IS A VERY TOLERANT PLACE FOR MANY DIFFERENT FAITHS ,BUT I FEEL THIS IS BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF SOME GROUPS .
Lucy

#218

2011-08-20 00:57

I don't get what's wrong with building mosques, they can look really pretty and it does show Britain to be a friendly and tolerant country

Guest

#219

2011-08-20 11:46

Islam is in no way compatable with our society and laws. We are noted for our tollerance, therefore we should not tollerate islams intollerence! It amazes me how particularly socialist, caring people want to bend over backwards to help a religion that wants to oppress women, homosexuals, etc. Don't let things go too far!

Guest

#220

2011-08-20 12:44

the usa is welcoming to any religion who abide by the rules and laws. when a religion has many followers who wish it harm, why should the state make it easy for them to encourage more followers with easy access to targets. it would not be allowed in a muslim country. if they value their religion , and race as they call it when it suits them let build another mosque in a muslim country.

Guest

#221

2011-08-20 13:50

We can not build Christian churches in islamic countries, so why con they do it here. They want to have sharia law in this country, we can not have our laws in their countries.

Guest

#222

2011-08-21 11:51

Says it all when they want a bigger mosque

Guest

#223

2011-08-21 16:33

Stop the Islamification of the UK.

Guest

#224

2011-08-21 17:04

No surrender to Islam.

Guest

#225

2011-08-21 18:07

Enough is enough...if it carries on ...there`ll be one on every street corner...and that's what they want...